Heheh nice! :) Just to back you up on one thing: Steven was

Heheh nice! Smiling
Just to back you up on one thing:
Steven was testing and helping R&D on all aspects of the WiFi routers we were making (I worked there too) back in 2001. He could configure a WiFi router via serial port and CLI with eyes tied behind his back (er?). The fact that he couldn't get the fonera to work is significant.

And to contradict you on something: Flickr and fon and the others DO have communities that they *support* via the production and maintenance of their service. No Flickr user ever *made* any part of Flickr, no fon user *made* the fon product; they simply use it, and by using it extend the "community of user". The difference between the comunity of Flickr users and the commuityof Coca Cola drinkers is that the former can and actually do interact in many many ways. People + interaction + communication = communty + culture.

My $30/yr Flickr fee is paied back to me 1000 fold by the community of friends world wide I have, who enhance my life by sharing theirs with me.

Just because you prefer one community over another doesn't mean you cannegate the existence of the other. Eye-wink

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